a ( is calculated: d 10 10 e You thought this problem could be solved within a week. Download GameLoop from the official website, then run the exe file to install GameLoop 2. The formula for acceleration is Is it? 0.5 You finally graduated and started your master's thesis. When you can buy the autobuyers, buy the variable autobuyer then the upgrade autobuyer. For example, watching three ads in a row will increase Your goal is to stack up money by taking advantage of exponential growth. {\displaystyle a} 9 You think about all the efforts that you have put in this project and all the things you learned. The highest known scores for theories are kept here. They dont provide much boost but are nice to have anyway. You gave all you got for this project. {\displaystyle 0.02\times {\sqrt {dt}}} {\displaystyle ba^{x-1}} Upon reaching ee50, immediately supremacy. Once an upgrade is available, the two small arrows above the variable list will be highlighted. A theory has its own equation that generates its own currency, You will continue to unlock variables and permanent levels when cheap as you go. 2 10000 You can improve the growth rate by performing changes of variables. Pages that use a deprecated format of the math tags, Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information. {\displaystyle b} After some time, you will be able to Prestige within a couple of minutes, multiplying b by 10 or even 100. Edit: I have spent stars on auto upgrade and auto Variable, as well as various variable upgrades. There is one parameter that you did not see. 4 Exponential Idle Guides Previous: Theory Strategies Explained Minigames How to Solve Guide written by LEBaldy . Your goal is to stack up money by taking advantage of exponential growth. Guides for Exponential Idle hosted at https://exponential-idle-guides.netlify.app/. {\displaystyle db} {\displaystyle {\frac {dt}{10}}} Theories ended up being quite fruitful. You invested so much time in it. You have to admit it. Buy All Button (Single purchase; 15 stars), Acceleration Button (Single purchase; 50 stars), Variable Autobuyer (Single purchase; 200 stars; requires Buy All Button), Upgrade Autobuyer (Single purchase; 200 stars; requires Buy All Button), x2 Automation / s: Multiplies the rate of automation by 2 (3 purchases; prices 500, 1250, 2000 stars respectively; requires Variable Autobuyer OR Upgrade Autobuyer), Auto Prestige (Single purchase; 500 stars; requires Variable Autobuyer AND Upgrade Autobuyer), Permanent variable levels (infinitely buyable, increases with each level bought, requires variable u), a is based on a table for each variable (see below). That sheet has 300+ hours into it and ~200+ hours into the calculator (for the python not the one on the sheet). The guide's content has been written by Snaeky and LEBaldy with Within each of these sections there are idle, active, and general strategy subsections for differing playstyles. t The generated under "Total Stars". In other words, maximize You decide to pursue a postdoc to go deeper into your project Requirement: Purchase upgrade "Unlock Stars and bonuses are not reset. using the following formula: d x You reached a higher value, but still far from infinity. x {\displaystyle c_{1}} You should be proud of yourself, it is a remarkable milestone in your career. You drop your coffee. b src/view/guides directory with the header content as above, replacing $ I would highly highly suggest focusing and learning hard arrow puzzle if you plan on playing minigames for stars as it is far and above the best stars/time. Your master's thesis got accepted. After the 1.4 Upgrade, you can buy an auto Supremacy which can take the same type of input as the auto Prestige. Here are almost all of the resources that are used in the discord. 2 Is it a problem only for me or for everyone? . ( Subreddit for the idle/incremental game Exponential Idle Requirement: Prestige for the first time. {\displaystyle dt} Reply. , that can be used to buy upgrades. 3 After you obtain autoprestige, input the autoprestige equation. It has averages on different Tau-levels, Which is good to leave overnight? {\displaystyle dt} x e ) Feel free to use the glossary as needed. ( Additional information about the game. There are some guides there for a couple of the theories and some other things that you might like. is the currency that you can spend for variables and upgrades. Maybe things would have been very different by now if you didn't smile at him the first day. You decide to Supremacy one last time to make sure you didn't make a miscalculation. The first variable is free. For example, buying y exponent 2.2 will use x = 6. This guide will be split into 1 to ee50, ee50 to ee200, and ee200 to ee2000 sections as you hit milestones and gain new unlocks. = This really should be stickied in the sub, Love these guides and they already helped a ton, thank you, but some of the instructions are confusing, maybe its me caveman brain but i think some simplification could be useful, like an idiots guide to it. For . ". = Exponential Idle Secret Achievement 13 GuideHelpful LinksExponential Idle: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.conicgames.exponentialidle&hl=en. upgrade start from value 1 instead of 0 unless it is (first), transforming the formula for total value into You will max all star upgrades besides permanent levels (no attainable limit) and autosupremacy (only if you grind enough). by 50% for 2 hours by watching a short advertisement. ) 10 Privacy Policy. changes when anything changes. Requirement: Graduate after unlocking the first theory. ) {\displaystyle t} I just started this game a couple days ago. For your f(t), input the number after the ee in the top-left corner. x You should explore more areas, more theories. . x There is an exception, however. t An incremental/idle/clicker game that uses the power of exponential growth. , {\displaystyle f(t)=10,b=1,x=2,dt=3} t What a journey it has been. You can perform change of . t = 10 = He keeps talking. Past infinity, you will be able to purchase an upgrade that modifies the equation, which gives a significant boost in progression. You started to think that it was an impossible task. {\displaystyle (10+x{\bmod {1}}0)2^{{\bigl \lfloor }{\frac {x}{10}}{\bigr \rfloor }}-9} e After signing in, you can access the leaderboard from the Settings menu. 0.001 You published many papers based on your results. There was not much to explain as we can gain more as the time flies. It's time to end your sabbatical and get back to work. You will not want to buy the Automation Speed upgrades until cheap compared to variable cost. To do so, you have to step through time by tapping the equation or simply let the time follow its course. You may even need to apply for more grants at some point. The formula can be expressed as f {\displaystyle b} Scan this QR code to download the app now. . mod He destroys all of your work again in exchange for a bigger grant for your doctoral thesis. But don't feel bad. , which contributes to the progression of the main game. 3.3 To do so, you have to step through time by tapping the equation or simply let the time follow its course. ) ( x Buying a variable or an regular upgrade will DIVIDE the current function value by the cost instead of subtracting it. What are these \(x_i\) supremacy upgrades? I get logistics function is great to manually tap the c2 buy but sometimes you just want to leave something for 8hrs. i Among all professors in your department, you were the one who has published the most papers this year. 10 ( Submit it to us. (offset) Each listed theory has log For theories with max milestones, this gives optimal strategy, time of publication, multiplier, and more. You can access the students panel using the icon in the navigation bar. ) Do not follow for strategies. I'm wondering if it is useless or not to invest in the earlier variables after a few prestigues? d We are still working on the guide, and recently added more in depth explanations for some of the other theories as well. You will not make it to autoprestige in this section unless extreme grinding but is worth the cost if you keep some variables. Then, there are the variable and upgrade auto buyers that automatically buy all affordable items every 5 seconds. Playing and molding both sections will often deliver the best results for a particular persons ability and situation. 2 Can someone please explain what ee12345 means? log {\displaystyle b2^{\alpha (x-1)}} ) This will build the site, run a server on port 8000, and rebuild the When you obtain autoprestige, input the autoprestige equation. log d can be used: All variables have a You leave the university and wonder what you are going to do with your life. d A tick is automatically generated every tenth of a second, which increases Graduation is the third prestige layer of the game. 10 ) This will give you an estimated phi*tau, phi, and tau for a given f(t). b Once that is reached as well, you can do a Supremacy or a Graduation to break it to To do so, you have to step through time by tapping the equation or simply let the time follow its course. e While he's talking, you stir your coffee, observing that even if you stir exactly the same way, the patterns will be different every time. Finally, it increases every 400 levels forever. No description, website, or topics provided. = Doing one game of expert arrow or a few of hard arrow makes up all the stars and more spent on arrow puzzle because of the achievements. 10 Progress normally until back to previous supremacy mark. The parameter The higher these values, the faster you'll progress. Was it worth it? This is a site for guides for Exponential Idle. You do not want to prestige immediately when you hit 100% but instead when \(db\) growth slows drastically. To do so, you have to step through time by tapping the equation or simply let the time follow its course. ( {\displaystyle b} b Demonstrating u/Fabrixe's method to solve the hard arrow puzzle quickly to earn stars quickly in Exponential Idle.https://www.reddit.com/r/ExponentialIdle/co. This page will determine the optimal distribution of students () given your Take a look. We have a tau tracker sheet that let's you track how fast you gain tau and will compare you to other players. . to progress in the main game. A Graduation resets all variables and normal, prestige, and supremacy upgrades in exchange for students. Everything I can find here is only talking about things after that. f t 2 1 You don't like small talk, so you just nod, hoping he will leave soon. t . If not, you will get it later. , giving a big boost in progression. = Your knowledge is growing! t Will output optimal graduation mark based on current students, phi, and tau values. Each theory increases An annoying colleague of yours comes to your office and starts talking about the weather and how unpredictable it is. You can also play minigames, unlocked using stars, which rewards you some amount of stars once you succeed, depending on the difficulty. {\displaystyle a} Storage mechanism for saves due to game not having cloud save. T6 is the last one that needs a full explanation and we are working on that as well. ) This guide will be split into 1 to ee50, ee50 to ee200, and ee200 to ee2000 sections as you hit milestones and gain new unlocks. I'm just really confused how I've barely progressed, while he's gone so insanely far ahead. Maybe you can find a way to use it in your project Requirement: Prestige for the second time. You won't be able to get more than one at a time that early on. I shouldn't have done it off of memory alone and had charts next to me. The third supremacy for \(y^{1.6}\) costs 24 \(\psi\) and occurs at \(f(t)\)=ee140. If you do not have all the automation upgrades, you can take out some of the variables and permanent levels for autobuyers or autoprestige. Also check the spreadsheet which is available at least in Discord. ) So the trick is to buy variables and upgrades, and perform Prestiges to increase This guide is currently undergoing change. This means that you can use 1e6 or 1.000e6 for 1 million. The formula for stars given by a game is . 1000 This continues until the end of the prestige. Just swinging by to thank you for all this great info. You can change the current theory whenever you want and you can resume a theory without losing previous progress. Submit it to us. And Eternity in an hour and = They say that those are rookie numbers and that you gotta pump those numbers up. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. A group of frustrated students comes to you. Subreddit for the idle/incremental game Exponential Idle. b Here is a graduation calculator that will tell you how far you can push with the amount of phi*tau that you have. The increase of Guide written by LEBaldy. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask. Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information. Guides for Exponential Idle Exponential Idle Wiki is a FANDOM Games Community. b If you have any questions, many of those guides, sheets, and a couple calculators are owned and operated by me. The site is built using 11ty and hosted on Netlify. For more information, please see our The website Any feedback? The data set is just OK as I literally printed the low res plot on D paper and tabulated the data by hand. {\displaystyle b} e This uses H2Eaux's minigame guide pinned in the Exponential Idle's discord minigames channel. Proud of your work, your professor offers you an internship in his research lab. The way I'm understanding it right now is that the 'v' variable is giving 90% of my income and 'u' around 14. Requirement: Launch the game for the first time. 2 I'd be stuck flat lining theory 5 if it wasn't for you! 0.02 Just remember: The higher these numbers are, the faster your progression will be. Subreddit for the idle/incremental game Exponential Idle, Press J to jump to the feed. We also have a Google Form that you can full out with any suggestions for the guide as well, just be as specific as possible. ( (see below). t = 2K subscribers Exponential Idle is just an idle clicker game taking the advantage of exponential growth. a + If you cannot observe it, {\displaystyle b} Current minigames include: After reaching a certain point in the game, you will be offered to Supremacy (a new button will appear in the Prestige menu). You signed in with another tab or window. Allows for easy access. ( Your goal is to stack up money by taking advantage of exponential growth. t b Open GameLoop and search for "Exponential Idle" , find Exponential Idle in the search results and click "Install" 3. x You are a talented undergraduate student. t t And a Heaven in a Wild Flower These will not be of much value to you if you wont play them so not purchasing them anymore is the best option. After reaching Supremacy currency is calculated, based on cumulative Sure, you progress. Thanks for the feedback. You will not want to buy the Automation Speed upgrades until cheap compared to variable cost. If you have any questions, concerns, or would like to give any suggestions; please dm SnaekySnacks#1161 or LEBaldy#5759 on discord or reddit and we will be happy to help you out. ) ( https://exponential-idle-guides.netlify.app/. Hopefully, it will pay off A friend introduces you to the concept of serendipity. If you all have any questions, please ask. You can improve other variables once you gain enough money. If you want to contribute, request for access to the sheet here. 25 f {\displaystyle \tau } Students will do their job during your leave. , 200 is a parameter that will increase after specific milestones (Prestige), and But don't worry, you'll get back on your feet quite quickly. Doing one game of expert arrow or a few of hard arrow makes up all the stars and more spent on arrow puzzle because of the achievements. This is d I hate this run. Are you sure you want to create this branch? {\displaystyle \mu } This is done for every new value of x and \(dt\). will be 4034.29. If you are not using the accel at the moment, selling it will lead to more stars for variables and permanent levels. b b It will also allocate a new currency, named , with which you can purchase new upgrades. Then, there is the auto prestige that will perform a prestige as soon at the ratio db/b is above the given ratio in the auto prestige settings. Once you reach a certain level (b = 1), you will be able to spend your stars to get permanent upgrades that do not reset after a Prestige. It explains everything that it is saying. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. - William Blake - contributions from the Exponential Idle community and the rest of the Exponential Idle Guides Team. b Anyway, just something I noticeddont want to seem ungrateful as all of these guides have been insanely helpful and clearly took a ton of work to put together. Prestige lets you reset your current progress while giving a bonus to the constant 10 <> as appropriate. Thanks! During your acceptance speech, you praise your students for their hard work and tell how you always believed in them and their ideas. Theory Simulator: How to Read Results, Visualizing Variable Power Throughout the Game. Automation routing changes per playstyle but here is the autoprestige equation to use when you unlock it. You are thinking about the Infinite Monkey Theorem, hoping that one of them will end up achieving something great. However, you do not have any other parameter left to play with. {\displaystyle b} f Storage mechanism for saves due to game not having cloud save. b As of 1.4, the acceleration has a limit of 1 hour (3600 seconds, ~x3.17), before releasing the multiplier back to 1. 200 {\displaystyle db} Exponential Idle Star Optimizer By Eaux Tacous#1021 Instructions For f (t), type the number after ee. 3.3 ) gameBaseReward A tick can also be generated with a tap, which increases % They say that your numbers are not big enough to ensure that the limit is infinite. {\displaystyle x_{1}} Normal achievements are here. ( 10 Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Any feedback? , into the main equation. {\displaystyle d\mu =\log _{10}({f(t)})}. A successful career is ahead of you and you are now on your own. a One last time, Requirement: Purchase upgrade "Unlock a , and e Within each of these sections there are idle, active, and general strategy subsections for differing playstyles. 10 Accepted format are the same as the one used in the UI. This upgrade only has value if you continuously and consistently use it. Your professors see a bright future ahead of you. {\displaystyle t} . You will continue to unlock variables and permanent levels when cheap as you go. , you need to cumulate money, i.e. ) ( 1. 1 6 1 Subreddit for the idle/incremental game Exponential Idle, Press J to jump to the feed. These currencies are used to buy special upgrades. Or {\displaystyle {\text{ee}}3.3=10^{10^{3.3}}} 14 Enjoy playing Exponential Idle on GameLoop Minimum requirements OS Windows 8.1 64-bit or Windows 10 64-bit GPU GTX 1050 CPU i3-8300 Memory Upgrade cost is driven by an exponential model, same as for prestige and supremacy upgrades. Your professor rewards your hard work by adding a new variable in your equation. b t {\displaystyle x} These stars are permanently used and are not given back during a supremacy (minigames will stay unlocked forever). is the expansion of However, theories are not influenced by the parameters of the main game. Baldy, the theory simulator (sim) by XLII, and calculators from Eaux, Baldy, Niedzielan, AfuroZamurai, and Milla. & 4 More. f Hi are there any guides about starting the game? ( ( t 5. Any leftover stars will go into permanent levels. {\displaystyle \psi } reaches 100%. starChance , which can change if you buy variables or upgrades. Exponential Idle is a math-inspired incremental game available on Android and iOS. {\displaystyle {\sqrt {dt}}\times 0.04\%} Requirement: Unlock the "Polynomials" theory, a.k.a. You will want to skip this upgrade until you get to ee200 where you are forced to supremacy whether or not you obtained the \(y^{1.6}\) supremacy upgrade beforehand. x Join the community on Discord and Reddit! b 2 Keep in mind, strategies may change. the changes. Maybe infinity is not a number. All other costs ( You got your Ph.D. with honors despite not having a definitive answer to your question. Each upgrade displays current value. It is not standard money though. You just discovered that you could modify the equation a little bit to accelerate the process. will increase in one second. 2 . 0.04 Prestige upgrades gives bonuses to regular upgrades and Supremacy upgrades improve the equation itself. 2.3 50000 {\displaystyle 2.3{\text{e}}6=2.3\times 10^{6}=2,300,000} will change after a Prestige. {\displaystyle db} 2 = These can be unlocked once \(b>=1\). 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