Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. No mechanical mods are required to your AR, other than a barrel change. Red Dot, Holographic, Magnifiers & Laser Sights, Angle Degree Indicators & Reticle Levelers, HORNADY 17c (.172) 20gr V-MAX BULLET 100/BX, HORNADY 20c (.204) 32gr V-MAX BULLET 100/BX, HORNADY 20 TACTICAL SERIES III FL 2-DIE SET, S/H #16. I want an 18" 20 practical, what gas length and twist rate? Uses the same interchangeable bushings (.001" increments) as those used in our bushing style neck sizing dies. I think it's part number 14206. . This die worked perfectly to form 20Tac brass from .223. The particulars were the Hornady 32-grain V-MAX bullet and H-322 powder. I needed reloading dies and turned to Robin Sharpless of Redding Reloading to discuss the project. Once the entire batch is made, we send them out to be hardened via a carburized heat treat process to ensure a lifetime of use. Senior Member : Join Date: Jan 2011. For its 55-grain BT, Berger recommends a one-in-8-inch or faster twist. The Woodchuck Den, Inc.11220 Hilltop Rd., SWBaltic OH 43804woodchuckden.com, Cooper Firearms of Montana, Inc.PO Box 1143662 Highway 93 NorthStevensville MT 59870cooperfirearms.com, Redding Reloading1089 Starr Rd.Cortland NY 13045redding-reloading.com, Barnes Bullets, Inc.PO Box 620Mona UT 84645(800) 574-9200barnesbullets.com, Hornady Mfg Co.PO Box 18483625 Old Potash HwyGrand Island NE 68803hornady.com, Berger Bullets, Inc.4275 N. Palm St.Fullerton CA 92835bergerbullets.com, Sierra Bullets1400 West Henry St.Sedalia MO 65301(888) 223-3006sierrabullets.com. The decapping rod is supplied with a standard size button. What others may consider Wildcat is the norm for us. dies are supplied with both the standard size button and a decapping pin retainer for the advantages and versatility described under our Type S - Bushing Style Neck Sizing Dies. After the .228 bushing it still measures .200 ID. The cartridge uses a standard .223 Remington shellholder. Looking for 18 6mm ARC barrel, but theres a catch. $205.99. I think it's part number 14206. All Type S (except 17 and 20 Cal.) forum.accurateshooter.com/threads/20-practical-dies-headspacing-question.4052414/, Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 14_6 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/605.1.15 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/14.1.1 Mobile/15E148 Safari/604.1. We offer dies sets for some of the most accurate wild-cat rounds that you will not find anywhere . This enables neck sizing without the use of the size button for those who sort and/or turn case necks for uniformity. Or at least fire-forming will no longer change case capacity to the extent that you need a separate, slightly lower, fire-forming load.WARNING: For your own safety, ALWAYS reduce all starting charges by 10% and work up carefully! The decapper you listed is for a regular size die, not the type s. Sinclair has all this stuff. Although the wrinkles will blow out once the case is fired, they make the cartridge looks somewhat unattractive. I have about 5k of it sitting around from the 80's. See page 13 for additional information on crimp dies. This little cartridge can launch 40-grainers at over 3900 fps, and 32-grainers even faster. The author has had excellent results using IMI brass, which is strong and very durable.Forming 20 Tactical brass is generally a two-step process. The only way I can think of that the expander would rub, before the bushing has touched the neck, would be the neck wall is so thick it can't expand enough to make the hole in the neck as big as the diameter of the bullet when fired. When it came to powders, a bakers dozen that had been given some play in published data was selected. Both have rifle length gas systems if I am at the bench I like the 26 much better if I am in the RZR I like the 20". REDDING 20 TACTICAL BUSH. Shipping: One flat fee of $12.95 per online order. The VarTarg may be the smallest 20-Caliber cartridge in our survey, but it comes up big in efficiency. Access from your Country was disabled by the administrator. Unless the neck is too tight or brass is too thick. The OD is .256 I removed the expander and sized with the .233 bushing and then checked the ID, the ID now measures .200 with .014 wall thickness! What dies and process are you using for making .20 Practical? This necks down the .223 brass to .20 caliber. No mechanical mods are required to your AR, other than a barrel change. REDDING 20 TACTICAL FORM #1 DIE CUSTOM Quantity: Read 3 Reviews Customers Who Bought This Also Bought HORNADY 17c (.172) 20gr V-MAX BULLET 100/BX Our Price: $23.29 $0.23 per piece In Stock Item #: HRN21710 HORNADY MICROJUST SEATING STEM Our Price: $34.99 In Stock Item #: HRN044090 HORNADY 20c (.204) 32gr V-MAX BULLET 100/BX Our Price: $23.29 Among ball, or spherical, powders, Id have to give the nod to Accurate 2230 and 2520 with Ramshot X-Terminator and Hodgdon H-335 trailing, but not by much. This makes the 20 Practical a great choice for an AR-based varmint rifle. I could not find the Redding bushing in stock for that size, so I ordered a wilson bushing after reading it would work in the Redding die. I shoot a .20 tactical with 22 inch barrel and it has a rifle length gas tube and 10 twist shooting 39g sierras. We understand early in a rifle build fired brass may not be available. #2 01-16-2013, 03:21 AM bowfisher. These bushings are also free-floating to self- center on the case neck for a higher degree of sizing accuracy. For example, the Hornady 40-grain V-MAX has a published BC of .275; that of the Sierra 39-grain BlitzKing is .287. We have Tactical dies for sale, from great brands like Forster, Hornady, Lee, Lyman, RCBS, and Redding Reloading Products. In our experience, nearly all factory bullets benefit from sorting. dies are supplied with both the standard size button and a decapping pin retainer for the advantages and versatility described under our Type S - Bushing Style Neck Sizing Dies. Some precision shooters like to start with Lapua brass. I know I can use a redding type S die set to make 20 practical brass from standard 223 brass. Whether youre a hunter or a competition shooter Whidden Gunworks can manufacture Custom dies to your exact specifications and if needed can work with your gunsmith to ensure your dies are as accurate as your new rifle. Use a Redding Type S 223 dies, and use 2 seperate bushings to neck down to 20 cal. Every rifle, powder, primer combination may shoot one brand of bullet or one weight range more accurately than another. Woa will do some custom work within reason. So that is the right decapping part #? No form dies needed. First the cases are sized in a full-length .223 die, then run, slightly lubricated, into the .20 Tactical seating die. I ordered .226 bushing as per the information I found on accurate shooter. Once the entire batch is made, we send them out to be hardened via a carburized heat treat process to ensure a lifetime of use. Robin sent the form-and-trim die along as well but said I probably wouldnt need it. With the 20 Practical you need a 223 S die with . This is especially useful for reloaders who are using commercial brass as is. This means you can expect more velocity from a Berger 40gr LTB than the Hornady 40gr V-MAX or the Sierra 39gr BlitzKing.Choosing the correct bullet weight will depend on the environmental condition and the size of prey. Reduced to two powders, Id go with H-322 and VV-N130. And the 20 Practical matches the performance of the highly-publicized 20 Tactical with less money invested and no need to buy forming dies or fire-form cases. To narrow focus to reloading the .20 Tactical cartridge, lets begin with the rifle. For example, as stated earlier, some rifles will shoot a Hornady 32gr V-MAX very well, but they won't shoot the 40gr V-MAX. What's not to like? 20 VARTARGThe 20 VarTarg (VARmint/TARGet) is another 20-Caliber cartridge designed by Todd Kindler for varmint hunting. The Redding form-and-trim die is on the left, with a new micrometer adjustable seating stem for the bullet seating die. The one used here is a Cooper Firearms Model 21, a single-shot bolt action. Only 1 in stock Item #: RED60660 WILSON 17/20 TACTICAL BUSHING NECK DIE *S/O . Like the 6PPC, it has the optimal bore to case capacity ratio for max efficiency. Practical it is. I've been thinking about having a 20 practical made. PMC and Federal cases were used here, of which I had enough to run the series of tests. Dies & Reloading Tools. Check out the Load Map below and you'll see that the diminutive VarTarg pushes the 32gr pills up into the 3750+ fps range with much less powder than is used by the .204 Ruger or 20 BR. Do you mean the ball drags on the way in after its been sized with the .233, or that fired brass drags on the way in when you use the .226 bushing? Among single-base, extruded powders, Hodgdon H-322 and Vihtavuori N130 produced the best results for me, with IMR-4198 and Accurate 2015 not far behind. I've been thinking about having a 20 practical made. I like their 223 barrels. REDDING 20 TACTICAL TYPE S NECK BUSHING DIE SET . I have a RCBS 223 FL die set for my RCBS press. This die followed with a 20 Tactical Full length die formed LC 5.56 brass into nice 20 Tactical brass. There was some hope Lapua would produce 20 VarTarg brass for Dakota Arms, but that deal is off the table. Worked perfectly. 20 practical Die set up on progressive DeadWoodDan Jan 17, 2018 DeadWoodDan Jan 17, 2018 #1 Attempting to be efficient and utilize what I have on hand. Our Custom dies are the best way to ensure you are getting the most efficiency out of your reloading process while gaining maximum precision and case life longevity. Since all these cartridges are built around a love of varmint hunting, this is an important consideration. Typical Redding quality. Brownell's has a .20 Hornady seater die, in stock, for $29.99 - look for Hornady dies/die sets for any/all .20 calibers. The rifle's forend is ventilated to assist in barrel cooling, a nice touch on a varmint rifle. The VarTarg achieves this performance by using fast, high-energy propellants, such as H4198 and Vihtavuori N120. And this may be a dumb question but if I have to go the Redding route, with that die fit/function in a RCBS press? When running tests with the above bullets and a variety of powders, the best results occurred with the Sierra 39-grain BlitzKing, closely followed by the Hornady 32-grain V-MAX. I've always thought that the 20 VarTarg would make a very accurate benchrest round with good brass. Any help here or suggestions? As you change bullet weight, you may find that you need to change the brand to maintain accuracy. I've been thinking about having a 20 practical made. What started as a small dream has become a multi-million dollar international business The expander ball is smaller than the bullet. As formed, the brass chambered and the bolt closed without issue. At the same time, it appears some rise above the norm. Reloading die manufacturers have been forced to design the neck diameter of their dies small enough to accommodate the thinnest possible brass. You are using an out of date browser. We understand early in a rifle build fired brass may not be available. The Hornady Unique Case Lube is a little thinner, so it tends to be more forgiving if too much is used.Some reloaders, like the author, will anneal the brass as the final step. All this adds up to economy as light bullets cost less than heavy ones, and small charges stretch powder budgets satisfyingly. I'm using Norma USA match brass, the neck wall thickness is .013. The adjustable decapping rod allows positioning the bushing to resize only a portion of the neck length if desired. Without their load data, wise advice, and invaluable assistance, this page could not have been created. document.write(new Date().getFullYear()) It seems to be a good combination of case capacity and bullet. I wasn't sure what brass I would use when I bought the barrel. This form die #1, 90660, is the one you need to form 20TAC from 223 Rem. About the cost of the parts to build. Bushings are available in hardened steel but also are available with a TIN (Titanium Nitride) coating for even greater lubricity. It is also extremely accurate. These are available in Flat-Base, Short Boat-tail, and Full Boat-tail designs in weights ranging from 30 to 50 grains. Please read before using our Custom Sizer Die, Lead time for Custom dies is currently averaging 10 weeks. A Cooper Model 21 was used to develop .20 Tactical loads. A variety of powders are available for use with the .20 Tactical cartridge; some worked better than others in VanDenburgs test rifle. The 20 Practical is an ideal 20-caliber solution for AR15 platforms. Concentricity is enhanced by the ability of the resizing bushing to selfcenter. When it came to bullets, quite a number were found, from a Hornady 24-grain lead-free NTX to a 55-grain Berger. Access from your Country was disabled by the administrator. Warren's cartridge was aptly named. The 20 Practical feeds and functions 100% reliably with standard AR15 magazines. $1435.00. You can start with .223 Rem brass, and just size down the necks with a neck-bushing die. The latter came in handy for setting exact overall cartridge length for the various bullets used. Upon completion your brass will be returned to you with your Custom Die. All my Brass is LC. All Type-S dies use an interchangeable bushing to control neck diameter and tension to an increment of 0.001. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Durable Tap And Die Tap 3/8\"-32 UNEF High Speed Steel Practical Silver at the best online prices at eBay! All I can feel when shooting it suppressed is the action running. The amount of resizing provided by conventional reloading dies has always been dictated by the manufacturing tolerances (SAAMI specifications) of the brass cartridge case itself. The bottom of the Cooper's stock shows fine wood-to-metal fit. All my Brass is LC. Use a Redding Type S 223 dies, and use 2 seperate bushings to neck down to 20 cal. 20 practical case forming I am gathering the parts for my 20 practical AR. Since wind drift is a function of ballistic coefficient and time of flight, such cartridges as the .20 Tactical tend to shoot flatter, with less wind drift and do it quieter and at lower cost than comparable .22-caliber cartridges. Redding Reloading Equipment has once again established a new die set based on customer feedback. I shoot suppressed and have a side charge setup to keep the gas out of my eyes and an adjustable gas block on both. This rifle has less than 125 rds through it. The .20 Tactical was developed in 1998 by Todd Kindler, proprietor of The Woodchuck Den, Inc., a retail/mail-order establishment specializing in products for the small bores. If you are the site owner (or you manage this site), please whitelist your IP or if you think this block is an error please open a support ticket and make sure to include the block details (displayed in the box below), so we can assist you in troubleshooting the issue. I'll just have to find myself a .224 bushing for my Redding 223 Type S bushing dies I suppose to get the 3- thousandths neck tension I'll feel comfortable with for this 20 Practical AR-15. The Tactical 20 is easy to load and exceptionally accurate. selling ammunition, reloading supplies and accessories. The author has had great results using Redding dies with Hornady Unique Case Lube, while others prefer Imperial Sizing Die Wax. Of course it did rain the next day. Lets get started. 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